[psillable]

Hi everyone,

I just found out about the pirate party in Canada, and I think it's great to be bringing these copyright issues to the table here! Anyways, I noticed the platform of the pirate party is almost completely contained within Canadian Action Party's platform, so I was surprised this similarity isn't even discussed in the forum here.  I'm sure CAP members would be willing to adopt a copyright policy similar to the one that is the main focus of the PP, in fact I will be submitting that to the policy committee.

It seems like the pirate party is still missing a solid political base, and CAP is missing some new policies to deal with copyright/patent/internet issues, so I think it would be great if the 2 parties could work together, or even join together. 

thoughts?

more info: Canadian Action Party Website

[Joshua Doucet]

Our policies don't mesh.

In particular CAP's opposition to the North American Union. Apart of this is -a lot- of conspiracy theorism on their part.

Also the Canadian action party has kinda past its time, it started with a lot of candidates and a nice amount of the popular vote but that has been in decline since the year 2000.

[Jay Frank]

Our policies don't mesh.

In particular CAP's opposition to the North American Union. Apart of this is -a lot- of conspiracy theorism on their part.

Also the Canadian action party has kinda past its time, it started with a lot of candidates and a nice amount of the popular vote but that has been in decline since the year 2000.

Speak for yourself.  I'm venomously against a North American Union or the formation of a North American united currency,
The majority of folks around here don't have a clue aboot fiat-currency or fractional reserve banking....
There's a lot you could learn from CAP and the majority of it is conspiracy FACT - not theory.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZG-6T2GYx4

Get educated.

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J

[Sean Hunt]

Sure, opposing the formation of a union is probably a good thing, but the fundamental problem with the conspiracy theories is the notion that the formation of a North American Union is at all feasible. In particular, the USA wouldn't accept it. Concerns over waiving sovereignty through accepting foreign influence are perfectly valid - and indeed, we have those in this party - but I certainly don't want to be associated with the conspiracy theories. And the impression I get from my brief look at the CAP is one of conspiracy theorists - even if that isn't the case (and I apologize to them for not having the time right now to take a better look), it seems like it's not an uncommon impression, and in politics, impressions are everything - and we already have a tough enough time with Pirate.

Additionally, it's a very deliberate portion of this party to limit its platform to the so-called 'pirate issues'. This lets us appeal to a wider group of people because we can have supporters who support us just on those issues, but disagree with the majority membership on other issues. Especially at this stage, it's not something that the party should not be prepared to give up.

[psillable]

Thanks for the replies,



Good to hear there is some interest in broader political issues, but I understand what you mean about keeping the pirate image (kind of like what the marijuana party, I guess). Anyways, I don't see any conflicts between the ideologies of the parties, and I'm sure CAP can learn a lot from the work being done here to help develop some next generation policy.



If you really don't want to be associated with "conspiracy theories" than why are you associated with a party protecting net neutrality? There is no reason to protect net neutrality unless you believe a theory that people are conspiring to disable the Internet as we know it. And why would you need an open government or digital sovereignty, unless you were trying to prevent/halt conspiracies.



By the way, there is overwhelming evidence that globalization is happening. The European Union happened, how can anyone be sure that won't happen in North America? The Pirate Party supports "digital sovereignty", and I believe that would be dependant on political and economic sovereignty.



It's true, CAP has declined since 2000 or so, but in the past year things have really turned around with many new members and a new leader will be elected shortly. As far as I know, CAP is the only party that is pursuing things like monetary reform and sovereignty which are so essential to Canada's ability to govern itself, for example: the ability to implement the pirate party's policies. If you do any research on how the monetary system works in Canada, I'm sure you will realize that the pirate polices would be quite ineffective if our economy stability remains in the hands of private banks.



Personally, I agree with the Marijuana Party policies, and I also agree with the Pirate Party policies. The reason I support CAP instead, is that CAP has a complete platform and is an authentic democracy: the members even decide the policies of the party. If I want a new policy I can write it up and send it to the policy committee for consideration. Now, PP has some great ideas, but without a complete platform, I think that, if elected, it would be ineffective in bringing about the suggested changes and in representing the best interest of all Canadians.



Also, I haven't seen any safeguard in PP, which would force a newly elected leader to fulfil the policies after being elected. Typically, leaders change their position after being elected, even on major issues, since they have a few years before the next election they can do what they want.
 (I'm sure you don't need an example of that happening)


cheers

[psillable]

Sorry, I just read what is meant here by  "digital sovereignty", i.e. redundant Internet links to various countries to remove dependence on the USA, so political sovereignty isn't very relevant to that topic.

Also, found this policy on non-pirate issues:
"The PPoC has come to an informal agreement in which the party will stand strong united only on key Pirate Issues, all other issues will be up to the judgment of the candidate based on his or her riding's general consensus."

[Nuitari]

We're actually going to redefine digital sovereignty as setting our own digital policies ourselves, instead of being forced into it via ACTA/CETA and other international parties / treaties/ pressure.

Policies and platforms are defined  by members participating is committees. Almost everything in term of policies is up for vote at one of our monthly meetings. We also have safeguards to oust a leader or director that is not doing a satisfactory job.

[psillable]

We're actually going to redefine digital sovereignty as setting our own digital policies ourselves, instead of being forced into it via ACTA/CETA and other international parties / treaties/ pressure.

Policies and platforms are defined  by members participating is committees. Almost everything in term of policies is up for vote at one of our monthly meetings. We also have safeguards to oust a leader or director that is not doing a satisfactory job.

That sounds more like what I originally thought it meant, but why promote only "digital" sovereignty. Wouldn't it be best to have sovereignty over ALL of our own policies?

I'm curious what the safeguards are.. Are those in the constitution somewhere? I skimmed thru but couldn't find anything. thanks

[Jay Frank]

The Canadian Action Party has had far more visibility and prominent members than us lowly Pirates.
If you take a look into what ya'll are calling "conspiracy theory" it won't take long for you to realize how much is openly admitted to be true. 
Especially regarding the Banksters, Bilderberg, CFR, Trilateral Commission, United Nations, ect ect ect.

For those of you who bow down and act ashamed to be associated with "conspiracy theorists"....grow a pair and if you are intelligent - do the research for yourself. 

There is no "Net Neutrality" "conspiracy".....

It's all right there in front of you - admitted.

Google in bed with NSA
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/02/from-dont-be-evil-to-spy-on-everyone/

Google/NSA invests in asymmetric linguistic trend analysis. (datafarming for unfair trade advantages/spying on citizens)
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9176273/Google_invests_in_firm_that_tries_to_predict_the_future

Search: google verizon net neutrality
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=google+verizon+net+neutrality&aq=1&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=google+verizon+net&gs_rfai=&fp=295882b5262456de

Lots to sift through there before you make any decisions.  Keep in mind Verizon has eyes, ears and a pen at the ACTA table.

Any Canadian too ashamed to expose a conspiracy is a coward and should not mouth off aboot Sovereignty.

So says I.

J

[Concerned Citizen]

I say if CAP wants to use our pirate issues as their own go right ahead

[Ayes]

Jay is right. The Canadian Action Party is perhaps a bit alarmist if anything, but their platform is based on facts.

We should hope that CAP (and other 3rd tier political parties) take up our issues as their own.

[Mikkel Paulson]

Absolutely. The more voices there are saying the same thing, the more our concerns will be heeded.

[acerix]

I say if CAP wants to use our pirate issues as their own go right ahead

After all, the pirate policies are creative commons share-alike 2!

You are free:
    * to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work
    * to Remix — to adapt the work

As far as I can tell, CAP's copyright notice is compatible with CC:

"Copyright belongs to the author. Articles may be reproduced for non-profit, or educational use so long as they remain intact, the author is acknowledged, and you include a link to the website, www.canadianactionparty.ca."

[Mike Bleskie]

The Canadian Action Party is an alarmist group, and one which espouses a lot of so-called conspiracy theories. I'm not going to get into the validity of those claims, but I will say that they have their focus scattered way to thin, and their members and leaders are very much in a paranoid frame of mind. I've seen CAP candidates in the papers once or twice, and it's something that should not be espoused.

[Jay Frank]

I'm not going to get into the validity of those claims,

Why wouldn't you get into the validity of the claims?
You're more concerned with appearance than substance.
Perhaps you should open photoshop and play with the Pirate brand some more....
Sudbury Wolves?  HA!  More like a "Near North Sheeple".

BTW - Lindsay is out of rehab - turns out she wasn't as addicted as the judge thought..

J